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Diane Doyle  - ER and group one   |208.94.72.xxx |2009-05-06 09:24:41
Finally a truthful story about what is going on. Thank God for the courageous
nurses risking their jobs to bring this forward.

I hope that this doesn't put
them in more jeopardy.
Paul  - Seriously?   |173.88.199.xxx |2009-05-06 13:28:24
I am glad for this story and thankful that these nurses spoke up. I am appalled
that I notice on the hospital's website there is no Chief Nursing Officer listed
in Administrative Staff!??!?! If there a lack of nursing in the C-suite (or lack
of publication of nursing leadership) is this surprising that these nurses don't
have a voice to C-level leadership?
Joanne Thompson, RN, BSN  - Truth in nursing   |98.197.210.xxx |2009-05-19 03:59:45
Isn't this sad? That registered, professional nurses...charged with being their
patient's last line of defense...should have to worry about losing their 'jobs'
when we dare to speak up about patient safety issues. I rarely saw in any of
the comments re this article "nurses unite" nurses referring to
themselves as a 'career' or professional person.
The ER nurses who are strong
enough to stand united deserve our congrat's not boo's. As a registered,
professional nurse at retirement age I cringe when I think of the many years
nursing has lost because we were afraid...afraid of our bosses, afraid of making
waves, afraid of airing our dirty laundry...we have been well-trained to act and
perform just as if we were abused children or spouses. Professional nurses can
learn from social professions such as child social workers and counselers who
try to help abused spouses...healing and improvements ONLY occur when the
pr...
Disgusted JPS ER Nurse  - HOT AIR   |24.182.108.xxx |2009-05-06 15:49:00
I must say when I read this article it made me very disappointed. I am an ER
nurse at JPS and yes, we do work very hard but most of us would not work
anywhere else!!! This article only represents a VERY small percentage of the
entire nursing staff of at least 80 not 55 as stated in the article. This
article is filled with half truths. The "green room" cannot physically
hold 80 patients. The referred petition was presented to us based on false
information to get nurses to sign. With negative comments and articles like
these rather than talking about the positive changes that have taken place it
will be difficult to recruit nurses to the ER let alone JPS. If these nurses
feel so fearful, unsafe and concern for their license then maybe they should go
somewhere else and work - California would fit them nicely. The real people
making a difference in the ED are the ones who work through the system not
AGAINST the system.
You can not be a JPS nurse  - HOT AIR   |76.193.208.xxx |2009-05-07 06:38:05
The green can and DOES hold up to 80 patients at one time... to say you are
disapointed is insane! The conditions are horrible and if you TRUELY work there
then you would admit that!
Anonymous   |206.201.85.xxx |2009-05-07 07:34:00
As the que can handle 80 patients which was a one time occurrance - the actual
green room will not hold 80 patients. This instance happened not long after we
moved and it has not happened since as some improvements have been made.
Amy Sullivan   |99.34.247.xxx |2009-05-07 09:15:31
I absolutely agree. Administration is making steps to improve some of the
problems. I just pray that they will continue to do so.
Anonymous  - Huh?   |68.116.157.xxx |2009-05-07 09:49:44
The story is about nurses standing up against the status quo. It goes without
saying that there are a lot of people who like things the way they are, that's
what makes it the status quo.
im  - half truths   |96.19.121.xxx |2009-06-17 16:31:36
You can't work in a system when the system is broken. You must work in
administration.
AN ER NURSE  - Try speaking the truth   |207.200.116.xxx |2009-05-06 15:51:45
Maybe the nurses complaining about the green room should consider finding
employment else where maybe county ED is not their forte, Not everyone is cut
out to be a TRUE ED nurse. There is never going to be a patient to nurse set
ratio. in an ED setting and if they feel that is what they need maybe floor
nursing would suit them far better. The nurses who did not sign the pertetion
did so because they know the petetion was TOTALLT INCORRECT - there has NEVER
been 80 patients in the green room and exaggeration is not going to help their
cause.
marticcrn  - try advocating for your patients   |70.129.90.xxx |2009-05-07 08:32:00
I am also an ER nurse and I am appalled that more people did not speak up.
Didn't you learn that you must advocate for your patients regardless of the
potential personal consequences to yourself and in the SOLE and EXCLUSIVE
interests of your patients? Where is your integrity that you would allow the
situation to be so abysmal and then attack those working for positive change?
Perhaps you would be better suited to a job in the corporate world.
Joe Snow  - A new approach   |99.184.146.xxx |2009-05-06 19:41:44
I would just like to say a few things without any possibility for creative
interpretation or unfavorable editing of what I really want to express.


First, thanks for the encouragement from those who really believe that JPS,
specifically the ER, can be a better place for the patients and staff. I'm well
aware that working at a county hospital in the ER isn't going to be a walk in
the park, I've worked there almost 5 1/2 YEARS and 3 years as a paramedic for
MedStar (Fort Worth EMS) before that. There's always going to be a lot of
challenges with the incredible volume and high acuity of a county hospital ER
patient. But, I stay, not because I couldn't get a job that pays better or has
lower staff:patient ratios somewhere else; but because I genuinely care about
helping the patient that has no insurance and nowhere else to turn, the
critically ill patient in which I can be part of saving a life, the comaradarie
amongst t...
Joe Snow  - A new approach cont.   |99.184.146.xxx |2009-05-06 20:06:40
amongst the staff within the ER, and the unique autonomy of the JPS ER nurse.
If one doesn't believe that the ER can and needs to be better maybe they can
help me to understand why the patient satisfaction scores went through the roof
when the ER was well staffed for the American College of Surgeons visit
approximately a month ago? Or when just 2 weeks ago I was one of two nurses
responsible for three Level I traumas (critical trauma) in 2 HOURS, while both
myself and the only other nurse in the trauma unit were responsible for other
trauma patients designated for the Intensive Care Unit along with several other
subacute patients within the trauma unit. I was told there was no way JPS was
going to divert ambulance trauma for just a short time, while we tried to
catchup and regroup with the patients we already had. Also, we couldn't get
anymore staff to come in and help, finally a couple of other ER nurses LEFT
their pati...
Joe Snow  - Cont.   |99.184.146.xxx |2009-05-06 20:08:09
LEFT their patients to come and help us. Or when I had approximately 55
patients in the green room as the only nurse assigned with one technician to
that area, and was told that I was, "just going to have to tough it
out"? Please explain to me how that's safe? Really?
Joe Snow  - Cont.   |99.184.146.xxx |2009-05-06 20:08:44
As a CORRECTION to one of the responses written, the JPS ER has most certainly
seen 80 patients assigned to the green room, I know because I took over for that
nurse in the morning in the green room! It's not infrequent at all for the
green room to hit 60 patients, and no, there's not 60 chairs in the green room
(there's approx. 25-30) so the patients with tests complete just get sent out to
the main waiting room and told, "we'll call you when a bed comes
available". As to the petition, I never was confused about what I was
signing. I was in no way involved with the forming or implementation of the
actual petition either, but I knew what I was putting my name on. Hey, many of
the people reading this right now pay taxes to support this hospital. How does
improving the county ER not benefit everyone from patients, to staff, to
management?
Joe Snow  - Cont.   |99.184.146.xxx |2009-05-06 20:09:32
I would like to show my SUPPORT in the NEW administration from Mr. Earley (CEO),
to Mr. Whitman (COO), and Ms. O'Dell (new ER manager and interim ER director).
The entire JPS Health Network is an enormous and very complicated responsibility
and the ER is certainly a HUGE challenge, but I think we finally have the
administration to make a difference. The NNOC is there to encourage and offer
resources to help make things better for staff, administration, and patients. I
believe that the PUBLIC deserves to know what goes on in their PUBLIC HOSPITAL
(and I told the truth), and now that the conditions have been emphasized we can
go from here in a very positive way! I didn't ask to be interviewed, but I'm
certainly not going to lie about what I see.
Joe Snow  - Finally....   |99.184.146.xxx |2009-05-06 20:10:16
Finally, for those that disagree with me, I would like to say I really
appreciate constructive criticism, and any advise you may have, but...........I
gave my name to the paper because I want CHANGE and I'm not afraid to put my
name on that change. How can I respond to advise/criticism if you're too afraid
to give your name so I can get feedback from you personally (if you really work
in the ER as you say)? Why would anyone be afraid to give their name? It's not
like your going to get fired for SUPPORTING MANAGEMENT OR THINGS STAYING THE
SAME. The NNOC and JPS ER needs advise (positive or negative), but if you're
going to give it have the courage to say who you are so that at least it has a
little credence.

Thanks for your time,
Joe Snow RN, BSN, EMT-P
JPS ER Night Shift nurse  - Regarding "Joe Snow - A new approach"   |75.47.97.xxx |2009-05-07 03:09:02
Bravo!! Well stated!! I totally agree with everything you have pointed out in
your above statement Joe Snow. Its those staff that have come to be accustomed
to poor pt care and disgruntled pts that are resisting change. Staffing numbers
are what its all about. Pt care is great at JPS when management is preparing for
an audit or evaluation from an outside source. Magically they increase the
staffing to put up a false front. Then its back to minimal staffing when the
outside agency leaves. While nurses deny the 80pts in the green room it is very
common to have 40-60pts without a doubt. Thank you for standing up for us!
Been around the corner  - Responding to Joe Snow   |173.175.152.xxx |2010-05-29 18:38:22
I appreciate the time you took to put your thoughts down on paper. To give the
article some "street cred" , 1. what is your average daily census
2.
What is your turn around time
3. What is the hospital census and their average
daily census.
4. Do you have an on-site stat lab and ABG lab?
5. Do you
ascribe to the first empty bed methodology?


I have a couple of suggestions
for you that might be worthwhile.

1. Put a FNP, or a CNS in a fast track
unit (the green room) They will see all the runny noses and upset stomachs that
do not require any other type of treatment. If they need a med or an IV, they
are turfed back to the regular population. Here you can see a surprisingly
large number of patients that are triaged "not sick" and still get them
some form of medical care to get them through until they can see their PMD on
the next available date. Lots of these people can be treated and streeted...
Been around the corner continu   |173.175.152.xxx |2010-05-29 18:43:26
2. Keep your fast track simple. Have a licensed independent practitioner (NP
or a CNS) that can direct care without the supervision of a physician.

2. If
there is a "family night"--one person gets sick and the parents want the
other 12 children checked because they might be sick too but "don't worry,
we have medicaid"
Been around the corner continu   |173.175.152.xxx |2010-05-29 18:47:52
Back to #3--Take each kid in separately, the parents will have to think twice
about waiting for each kid to be seen. The advantage for the nurse is that
he/she is not left with 12 charts to complete and a room full of pissed-off
patients. If you do one at a time, they get better care because this is truly
individualized. Don't give prescriptions for tylenol and regular over the
counter medications. That is an abuse of the system.
Anonymous   |68.116.157.xxx |2009-05-07 09:02:20
explain: "creative
interpretation or unfavorable editing"
Anonymous  - Get Real   |207.200.116.xxx |2009-05-07 00:06:20
You want to staff to the numbers in the green room ??????????? Name one hospital
or any employer that staffs to a WAITING ROOM - that is what the green room is -
an extended waiting room. People did not sign the petition because they knew it
was fraudulant and did not meet real ED needs I agree there should be a nurse to
patient ratio in patient care areas but NOT in a waiting room Do you even know
the reason for the green room? I would like to see the Ft Worth weekly
interview someone besides just disgruntal nurses, ask the REAL reason the others
did not sign and you will find out it was not due to fear. This is a very one
sided article - you took input from group one and other outsiders but none from
the real ER nurses. I would put my name on this but it seems that what is
really said is just turned around to fit,
Emergency Room Patient  - RUDE STAFF   |207.200.116.xxx |2009-05-07 00:11:06
I have been in the ER at JPS and the nuse Tim is about the rudest person I have
ever met. Maybe he needs to work somewhere were there are no people, or maybe
JPS should get staff that want to help people.
Vanessa Ray RN  - Seriously!!!   |206.201.83.xxx |2009-05-07 03:52:11
So the smart thing to to would have been to try to fix the problem internally
instead of going to the media because isnt the goal to try to recruit more
nurses not drive them away. Hasn't anyone ever told you people that you keep
your family business in the family and not in the streets. Providing bad press
is certainly not a good way to promote JPS , increase morale or increase
recruitment for new nurses. Tim and Amy were not here when we didn't have a
green room and have no idea what it is like for the patients to sit in the lobby
and have no diagnostic tests done. IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY WORKING HERE, GO
SOMEWHERE THAT WOULD BETTER SUIT YOU.
Amy Sullivan  - I am sorry you feel that way   |99.34.247.xxx |2009-05-07 09:09:39
The Green Room Petition was for a policy to be put in place not to get rid of
it. I feel the green room is a vital piece for the ER and has a great purpose.
The fact is, I initially emailed Kathy about a policy for the green room back in
November, and got no where. The reason for going to Mr. Early, was based on an
article in the paper regarding his desire to hear concerns for our patients.
Isn't that why we became nurses, to provide safe care for our patients. I know I
haven't been there for years, but for over a year I have been exposed to what
nurses and patient's have to face and feel that our community deserves the best.
With the administration on board with keeping the patient's their main concern,
maybe, just maybe we can improve conditions so that other nurses will want to
come work for JPS. The way it is now, has been proven to have a high turnover
rate and bad a reputation. As for going somewhere else, I have seriously...
Anonymous   |206.201.85.xxx |2009-05-07 09:28:25
please, do us all a favor and GO!
NNOC member  - childish remark   |98.198.111.xxx |2009-05-07 10:29:00
You sound fearful. You are also buying into the divide and conquer the
corporations end up making big bucks on. We work very hard in mostly scary
conditions. Our knowledge is rarely respected and our pay is not commisurate
with our responsiblity. Nursing is rated as one of the ten worst professions.
You are helping to keep this status. Who in their right mind wants to join a
profession that is constantly in-fighting? The attrition rate is very high in
the first five years following post graduation. No one wants to work as hard as
the job requires and then have to deal with constant bickering among the group.
Anonymous   |12.69.69.xxx |2009-05-12 10:28:20
The best favor you can do for pt is stay and fight for what is right.. Thanks
for being willing to take a bit of heat for what is right.
anonymous #2  - step up and reveal who you are   |208.189.200.xxx |2009-05-14 17:13:01
you seem to have a lot to say, but want to hide behind remaining anonymous. If
you are big and bad enough to try to tell someone to leave then why don't you be
upfront with it, and don't hide behind your "mama's coattails". yes,
there are problems at JPS and not just in the ED. there are problems with other
departments and managers that threaten and retaliate against employees who speak
up and upper management has not done anything about it. and this is the new
administration that i am talking about. so, if there is a problem that needs to
be fixed and going to the media is the way to see it happen, then so be it. and
noone should have to fear being retaliated against by group one, but it happens.
maybe if jps management listened to employees and watched the turnover trends,
they would have higher employee satisfaction scores as well as patient
satisfaction.
FTW Healthcare worker... Not J   |69.15.247.xxx |2009-05-14 09:12:27
I think the nurses that are commenting negatively to the nurses standing up for
better patient care are really sad!!

You have one job... PROVIDE THE BEST
PATIENT CARE POSSIBLE!! Everyone should constantly strive for improvement...
especially at the county hospital!! This shouldn't be about your hospitals
politics... it should be about improving for the patients!!

So instead of
telling these nurses who care about the patients to go... maybe you should!!
This isn't the kind of job where you can just collect a paycheck and go
home!!

Yes, there are many hospitals in FTW that are under-staffed, nurses
are over-worked, and patients suffer... that DOESN"T make it okay! As an
agency nurse I see it everyday!! In every hospital & nursing home!! But when
we can have a voice, we should!!

WAY TO GO & STAND STRONG!!
JPS ER RN  - NO DRAMA!   |99.190.212.xxx |2009-05-07 11:22:28
Working in the ER at a busy county trauma facility is a challenge....that's one
of the reasons we CHOOSE to work there. Yes, the green room area nurses can be
responsible for many patients, but I can assure you that 80 is an exaggerated
number. What this article failed to mention was the positive changes that HAVE
been made to expedite, better patient care, and to help alleviate the green room
traffic. An entire medical screening area has been set up staffed with a doctor
and a nurse to see green room patients, additional staff doctors in major
treatment areas arriving earlier in the day, more nurses assigned to areas such
as trauma. All of these changes have been made.....not by going to the media.
I'm really disappointed that the media/drama route was taken....that is not what
JPS is about and these few individuals certainly do not represent all of our
views. Working at JPS, especially in the ER is not for everyone....namel...
NO DRAMA!  - JPS ER RN   |99.190.212.xxx |2009-05-07 11:28:10
Working at JPS, espceially in the ER is not for everyone....namely the weak or
inexperienced. I'm with Vanessa Ray on this one, "if you can't stand the
heat, get out of the kitchen!"
DEBORAH FROM HOUSTON   |139.52.196.xxx |2009-05-07 12:54:30
If you want the heat , someone might get burned . How about focusing on what is
good for the pt?
DAYSHIFT ER RN  - Embarrassed   |99.190.212.xxx |2009-05-07 15:40:35
While I am all for making patient care better, the manner in which these
individuals chose to address their concerns is not only wrong, but embarrassing
to many of us. It is my hope that the public does not view these half truths
and make assumptions about out our hospital and ER. I work with an amazing
group of people...we are ALWAYS looking out for what is best for our patients.
Trying to make change by going to a publication that advertises strip clubs,
bars, and sex ads is not only embarrassing, but it completely negates your
cause. What's next.....Jerry Springer?
JPS ER employee  - Fed up   |66.182.251.xxx |2009-05-08 16:15:58
You want to talk about embarassing I saw Barbie and Carolyn take 60 fort worth
weekly papers that contained this article and throw them away. There was other
staff member and patients watching. That was very ignorant of them to think our
patients wouldn't read or hear about this ordeal somewhere else. It just proves
that this article has merit. Those nurses should be busy trying to help their
staff instead of acting like children.
Anonymous   |12.69.69.xxx |2009-05-12 10:27:00
Wow that was helpful to patient safety. Grow up. this is a very real problem.
How are you advocating for the pt, at least these nurses are trying. Are you
even a nurse?
FTW Healthcare worker... Not J   |69.15.247.xxx |2009-05-14 09:14:01
but if the heat can be improved for the sake of the patients... do it! support
it!! And don't be so resistant to change!!

Get over it already!!
Joe Snow   |99.184.146.xxx |2009-05-07 19:53:40
Thanks for not being scared. One thing though, everyone already knows working
conditions are tough at JPS....the emphasis is on a group of nurses (lowly just
like ME) making their voices heard. As this continues to progress I think more
nurses will be excited to work at an ER that is getting better staffed and their
voices will be listened to and acted upon. I wrote a dissertation on the bottom
- Sincerely, Your Boo
Also an RN  - it's about the pts   |68.88.203.xxx |2009-05-30 10:28:40
If the change isn't happening within, and it isn't, you HAVE to go outside. Any
one who has sat in the JPS ER knows it isn't working, and gets the impression
that nobody cares. The nurses do care, IMO, but don't have the power to change
it. The pts don't know that though. They see a frazzled nurse who cares, but is
fighting an uphill battle against the stream. If going to the media is what it
takes to get the pts the help they DESERVE, in a more timely manner, then so be
it. It isn't a big family secret how long people have to wait for care. This way
shows that the nurses DO CARE though.
Do you really not see that?
Amy  - Thank you for Standing Up   |99.139.89.xxx |2009-05-07 06:03:47
I just want to thank all of the nurses that are taking a stand to improve
conditions for all the nurses.

This is such an act of bravery to step to the
front and bring these issues to light. As a regular person, I depend on them to
help care for me as well as my loved ones. They deserve to be in a safe
environment & not overworked so that they can focus on the task at hand.


Medical mistakes are the third leading cause of death in our country. Isn't
it time to be able to reduce that figure? Seems like with a few regulations to
assist our nurses maybe a few of these mistakes would be noticed & they would
not be afraid to shine light on them.
a nurse who tried to convert P  - ER and all Nurses   |98.198.111.xxx |2009-05-07 06:28:49
We have to quit pleasing our hospital and long term care employers by continuing
to accept high, unsafe patient ratios. Whatever the numbers at JPS, they do
not seem to meet the California standards. Here in TX we supposedly staff to
acuity, but when one suddenly is faced with 3 blood transfusions, two fresh
post-ops and an ER admit, where is the extra nurse to address this change in
acuity? Nowhere. Administration simply states too late to call an agency or
they don't do agency and no one will be on call for $1.50 an hour. With this
latter statement, they ususally add that we need to have our peer group act more
as a supportive team.
Yes, we are all afraid of being blacklisted. If we
don't stand together, and quit this female backbiting, then PT is going to take
over for us. Haven't you noticed? They have the training.
DEBORAH FROM HOUSTON  - Thanks for standing up   |139.52.196.xxx |2009-05-07 12:51:30
We have to put the needs of our pt 's in the for front . Good nurses burn out ,
become angry at the lack of control over the way they practice(the way we were
taught to take care of pt.'s ) , and scared to death that the high nurse to pt
ratio will put their pts at serious risks ,These burdens become heavy and
take there toll , many nurses leave our profession because of this . Hooray for
the brave nurse who is willing to fight for chage!
sarah power -nnoc houston   |69.59.0.xxx |2009-05-07 09:12:33
Thank you guys for speaking for all of us. Stay strong!
Lou Brown  - JPS ER   |205.188.117.xxx |2009-05-07 09:17:20
I worked in the er at jps for 5 ad a half grueling years. I can see that nothing
has changed for the better. Sure there is a brand new trauma center just as
bright and shiny as the one I helped move to in 1992. We never had enough staff
for that er either. Nurses put there licenses on the line every shift they work,
Managment seems to think there is an endless supply of nurses. Managment has
lawyers to protect the hospital but let it be known they do not help the nurses.
You are on your own. If managment can blame the nurse they will.
Jason Blalock  - JPS ER   |70.196.247.xxx |2009-05-07 10:25:37
Any nurse knows being a patient advocate is your primary responsiblity .
Sometimes it is necessary to seek help outside of ourselves and our enviroment.
Chastising those who identify a problem and are willing to speak up is just
plain unprofessional. Using this logic why report child abuse? "Let's not
call CPS this is a family affair...it will work itself out." Wait wasn't
that a JPS slogan? "treating you like family?"
anon  - jps   |206.201.83.xxx |2009-05-07 10:27:10
Having been on both sides of the fence, I have to say...pick your friggin'
battles. The green room has saved countless lives. It is hard and I don't like
working it sometimes but at least we have a better idea of who is actually sick
and who is capable of waiting. Also, please, if you wish to have your say...by
all means, do so. However, do not include me in your pessimistic outlook on
JPS. No one blew wind up your skirt to get you to work here and you have every
right to find more suitable employement! Please commence. There is a lot of
complaints but I did not note where anyone griping had a better solution; or
even a worse one. What's up with that?
Anonymous  - Bravo from a JPS ED RN.   |209.30.89.xxx |2009-05-07 10:35:14
Very well stated Joe and Amy. The green room is a sound idea but it is unsafe. I
have been at JPS as long as Joe Snow and remember patients in the waiting room
that ended up in the ICU (before the green room). The green room has proven
valuable but things do have to change. There is no excuse for what we have to
endure in the green room or as one of two nurses in the trauma hall with 3 level
ones and multiple other patients. It has happened to all of us. No I do not want
to work anywhere else. How dare anyone even state that. Joe and Amy are both
great nurses and at least they are not lazy. It is time for a change and I
respect those who have the courage to move forward with these progressive ideas.
I do rememver the 80 patients in the green room with one nurse and one tech.
Whoever is denying it needs to pull their head out.
Another JPS ED nurse  - reply to Bravo from a JPS ED Nurse   |206.201.83.xxx |2009-05-07 11:04:03
no one is disputiing the fact that they are not lazy but Amy gripes and
complains the entire shift and is loud and quite annoying. And all of the
childish bickering back and forth is pointless. All any of us are saying is that
it should have been handled differently. Not gone immediatly to the CEO. anyone
ever hear of chain of command. And as far as Amy saying that she sent an email
to Kathy in Nov, Kathy was only the manager then and I have been informed that
this issure was brought up with the director at the time. I think everyone is
losing site of the real goal here and everyone is in agreement that the green
room needs more staff. Bottom line... Joining a union is not going to accomplish
this. we need a more constructive way to accomplish our goals.
anonymous #2  - no credit   |208.189.200.xxx |2009-05-14 17:25:27
you lost your credit as soon as you started personally attacking Amy. The point
is that these nurses are trying to create a better, safer environment for the
patients and all you can do is focus on your dislike of Amy. Grow up and know
that without forward movement there will never be any change.
Denise N  - JPS nurses   |205.188.117.xxx |2009-05-07 10:35:14
I have been at JPS for 10 years, and I clearly remember the days before the
green room existed. For a time, one triage nurse was expected to triage, as
well as try to initiate labs, xrays, and diagnostics for those assigned to the
waiting room. One nurse, not two and no tech. The green room, though not
perfect, is a bettter alternative for patients who wait for hours without any
interventions. Our current manager has a policy to pull patients from the green
room to any available bed. There is also a new medical screening set up where a
physician and nurse pull patients from the green room, this is located within
our fast track area. Despite these efforts, the process is hampered by the
non-stop influx of sick and injured patients that arrive via EMS, who must have
a bed. The point is, we are trying to make conditions better for those patients
who go to the green room. Our job is not easy, pardon the understatement..but
Denise N  - continued..   |205.188.117.xxx |2009-05-07 10:48:43
...there are good and bad sides to an article like this. Motivated nurses who
would otherwise apply, may not after reading the article. It contains facts
that sounds really bad when placed in a particular context. While I have seen
up to 80 pts assigned to green room, it doesn't have that kind of capacity. I
also fear patients assigned to the green room will wait with no one to help
them.
marticcrn  - oh denise   |12.109.2.xxx |2009-05-07 16:34:40
The enemy of perfect is good...or in this case, better. The standard should be
what would be excellent care for your own family - if they were not related to
the staff of the hospital. 80 patients assigned to one nurse? How could that
possibly be acceptable?
Denise N   |64.12.116.xxx |2009-05-07 19:23:15
I appreciate the the whole wax on-wax off philosophical approach..really. As
explained by Michelle G, there are forces at work bigger than the ER, and it is
sometimes impossible to make beds available b/c of admitted patients taking our
beds. The point I was trying to make, is that improvments and change do not
happen overnight, but they do happen.
As to the standard of care being health
care for my family.. I would be happy to let most of the nurses at JPS take care
of my family, even if it were in the green room. In addition, the 80-1 ratio in
the green room was the exception, and is not the standard.
Joe Snow   |99.184.146.xxx |2009-05-07 19:44:56
Very well said Denise!!!
Amy Sullivan   |99.34.247.xxx |2009-05-07 11:03:39
There are definitely steps being set to improve the wait in the green room, we
just do not have a policy to go by. It is the hospital's responsibility to
provide policies and guidelines as to how we are to perform or jobs. With a
policy in place, we can improve patient care and provide a healthier environment
for all involved.
Denise N   |205.188.117.xxx |2009-05-07 10:55:41
I hate it when I find typos after I post something. In my last sentence, I
meant to write that I am afraid that patients will fear that they will wait with
no one to help them.
We need more nurses who are willing to work hard, not
further dissention within our ER.
Anonymous  - JPS- the real story   |99.13.99.xxx |2009-05-07 12:26:25
Amy, Joe, and Tim,

We are all sorry you took the "NNOC" bait that the
rest of us did not. You are being exploited for their purpose and in the long
run you will lose. Your petition which got only 28 signatures was based on a lie
and you should be ashamed. You are only three employees out of 150...GO AWAY!!!
You do not represent ANY of us OR our patients. One more thing...Attacking Kathy
after all she has done for us was the last straw for you...
Anonymous  - I agree with real story   |99.13.99.xxx |2009-05-07 12:34:44
Amy,
Kathy has done great things in the 3 months as our Director. She is
holding staff accountable for their behavior, improving overall quality and
advocating for increased staffing. How can you disrespect her? She came in at
0300 when the green room had 50 patients and worked in the green room to help.
She came in at midnight to help us cope when one of our own died. I would
suggest you back off and leave her alone. She can stay, you can go...
marticcrn  - why are you anonymous   |12.109.2.xxx |2009-05-07 16:37:28
What kind of person personally attacks his/her co-workers in a public forum? I
agree that you should support your manager AND your co-workers. Clearly, the
green room is a death trap and the manager coming in to make the ratio 2 nurses
to 50 patients is not the answer.
Anonymous   |12.69.69.xxx |2009-05-12 10:23:19
The NNOC is not bait, as someone who has been nursing for 15 years. I can see no
other way to get the patients the care they need, Is your license safe?, is
your back in good shape?
Michelle G  - JPS   |206.201.83.xxx |2009-05-07 12:34:47
I appreciate when wrongs are brought to the attention of those in management.
However, the problems are bigger than the ER. Most of our difficulties lie
outside our ability to do anything about them; they require that the entire
system take responsibility for ER overcrowding and dozens of pts waiting for
admit beds in the ER. That is one of the biggest delays in our ER productivity
and we have no control over it. I Wish someone would look into helping out
there. I think the new management is doing just that. As for the green room; I
am open to other, better suggestions...so far I've not heard anything along that
line. What we have may not be the best answer but it is better than having the
patients languish in the waiting room; where no one is able to see them or tell
if they need higher care.
Joe Snow   |99.184.146.xxx |2009-05-07 19:43:18
See my response below. I love the green room, just when it gets bad we need 3
nurses and 2 techs to staff, that was what was requested. It's not the moon,
but I agree, the implementation of the green room was probably Glenn's BEST
contribution, staff with 3 nurses instead of 1 and all of the sudden it's a much
better/safer place.
Daniel Darling  - A Serious Issue   |99.135.89.xxx |2009-05-07 14:30:57
I'm thankful these nurses are standing up for what they think is right. It seems
like the hospital is headed in a good direction. The CEO seems willing to listen
to the concerns and the nurses are courageous to step forward and voice them.
This is not about pay or anything, its about safety and good care of patients.
GRACE  - NURSES UNITE   |70.160.111.xxx |2009-05-07 17:35:08
I am not a nurse but a concerned taxpaper in Tarrant County for over 40 plus
years. I try to keep current with all the news and happenings in my hometown
area. I have seen so much going on and change in all the years here. Some for
the good and some changes that didnt work but it never failed to bring attention
to the matters at hand. I feel nation wide that there is a shortage of nurses in
all areas and I think that our society has failed to reach out to potential
students and encourage them to become nurses. No wonder all our hospitals are
understaffed!
Nurses need to reach out in their communities to help attract
potential employees and encourage each other on a much broader basis. In todays
society all companys are understaffed and cutting back to the bone. I don't
expect a hospital to be any different. I have always expected that if I had to
go to any hospital emergency room that I would have to wait my turn. A county
Tom RN  - Nurses Standing Together   |68.94.29.xxx |2009-05-07 18:19:46
I think the article is truthful, bold and long overdue. I support any effort by
ANY group of RN's to improve patient conditions. Unfortunately it has not
always been the case that hospitals have the same safe patient care in mind as
we do. We are not talking about anything that is out of our reach, impossible
to achieve or so costly that it causes hospitals to close. It is simple math, I
am only one RN and can only be at one place at a time doing one task after
another. I am proud of Amy and her group and with support of my fellow Texas
RN's we WILL get the patient protection act of 2009 passed this session. Then
we won't have to leave this decision up to each individual hospital
administrations any longer.
Way to go Team
Tom RN
NNOC member since 2008
Joe Snow  - Some Final Thoughts   |99.184.146.xxx |2009-05-07 19:18:05
Well, what an entertaining series of comments!!! Between myself, Amy, and Tim
we've received fascinating comments about our character, intelligence, and lack
of plan. We've been told to 'Go Away', that we 'couldn't hack it', and the one
that brought a lot of joy and laughter to my wife and I, the very MYSTERIOUS
and CRYPTIC, 'attacking Kathy was the last straw for you'! Speaking of
mysterious though, was my fascination with the few willing to put their name
with their statement. Anyone can make any number of wild claims in a forum like
this (and there have been), but if there's no name there's no accountability and
with no accountability how can one trust anything said in the comment? 5 Nurses
from the JPS ER had comments they were willing to put their name on. Thanks to
Michelle and Vanessa for their feedback and to Amy and Denise for their support
and expressing how they feel!
Joe Snow  - Final Thought Cont.   |99.184.146.xxx |2009-05-07 19:19:18
The rest of the comments may or may not have come from some of the ER nurses
(who knows they didn't put their name), but if they did, a few quick things to
think about before the next profound anonymous comment. 1) It shows total
cowardice to not give your name. I would be embarrassed not to not give my name
(at least a first name) yet tear down a fellow nurse who's just trying to make
JPS a better place for him/her and their patients. Did somehow our former ER
director infiltrate this server? Once again, if you're proud of your job and
profession than you'll express your opinion in a PROFESSIONAL WAY and not be
afraid to say who you are and what you believe. I mean, do people not give
their name because we're SO INTIMIDATING? I mean I know I have big muscles
but.....yeah, my terrible attempt at humor.....on to #2.
Joe Snow  - Final thoughts Cont.   |99.184.146.xxx |2009-05-07 19:21:01
) If you disagree with the methods used no problem.....that's why there's
republicans, democrats and any number of divided groups out there, heck my wife
and I have several disagreements about important politics of today but we
RESPECT EACH OTHERS OPINIONS. OFFER A SUGGESTION OF YOUR OWN, I'm open, so are
the many nurses I've talked to that want to see changes made. At this point
it's really hard to gage the reality of the support vs. skepticism vs.
opposition in the ER, but I will say this, if even a fourth of these negative
responses are real and only 2 people put their name on it, then clearly no one
with backbone will prevent us from accomplishing our goals and nurses will
continue to come around to helping us help management make the ER a better place
for the nurses and especially THE PATIENTS. OK, on to #3 and some quick
responses...
Joe Snow  - Final...almost done   |99.184.146.xxx |2009-05-07 19:22:44
3)First, the overall plan is well thought out and includes many specific aspects
for both immediate and long term goals. Among them minimum staffing levels for
each area have been discussed but no one has ever mentioned mandatory staffing
ratios. But 3 nurses and 2 techs might make a 50 patient green room run a
little more smoothly than 1 unfortunate nurse and tech! Also the green room was
identified at the time of the petition (3-4 months ago) as the area needing the
most urgent attention. The petition was what enabled an engaging meeting with
Earley, Whitman, and O'Dell. In that meeting the staffing needs of the WHOLE ER
were addressed. I have NOTHING negative to say of management, they agree that
staffing is a problem, now on to how to address it. I promise there's some
ideas.
Joe Snow  - Final Thoughs closer to being done   |99.184.146.xxx |2009-05-07 19:24:43
3)Next.....the whole 'if you can't hack it go somewhere else thing'. Umm, I've
heard that before....right before at least 12 nurses resigned within
approximately a 1 month period last year. That devastated the night shift and
it's been a BIG challenge for them to recover since that time (a tribute to the
nurses that stayed). I understand that some of the other nurses involved with
the petition are not “old veterans”, and neither am I, but I can tell you
I've done ER nursing, ICU nursing, Flight EMS, and EMS as an EMT-P, and I CAN
hack it, and I am experienced enough to know that staffing needs to increase not
only for the nurses, techs, clerks, and doctors, BUT THE PATIENTS! Besides how
does telling nurses to LEAVE help the patients?
Joe Snow  - Final Thoughts Conclusion   |99.184.146.xxx |2009-05-07 19:33:44
Somehow 4 got skipped so here's 5!) FINALLY, (YES I EVERYONE HAS STOPPED READING
ANYTHING) I'm a little surprised that people are so offended by an article about
patient conditions in the ER and steps being made for IMPROVEMENT. Ummm...I
don't think that an incredible epiphany was laid before the citizens of Tarrant
County or the nurses therein when it was printed that things need to improve in
the ER, it's been documented in various media outlets multiple times in the last
couple of years, along with our 10s of millions of surplus. But the emphasis
here was that some nurses were standing up and pushing for change and management
wants it too, so we'll see where it goes from here. It's a rare thing, but the
staff nurses have a formal voice if they choose to use it, to help support and
hold accountable those members of our new administration to improve things in
the ER. Kathy is doing a great job, but without a budget increase t...
Joe Snow  - Conculsion   |99.184.146.xxx |2009-05-07 19:36:08
3)Kathy is doing a great job, but without a budget increase there's only so much
she can do. And lets not forget how we got this new administration in the first
place.....I believe it started with a series of articles from the media about a
year ago......

Thats it I'm finally done, I promise nothing more in this
forum from me - Any questions e-mail me or hit me up at work,. I'm all ears -
Thanks, Joe
Joe Snow   |99.184.146.xxx |2009-05-07 19:37:49
Man weird stuff was happening with the numbers up there!!!
GRACE  - NURSES UNITE   |70.160.111.xxx |2009-05-08 00:49:30
PART OF ALL MY COMMENTS DIDNT FIT IN THE ALLOTTED SPACE.
HOWEVER, I KNOW YOUR
NEW DIRECTOR AND YOU CANT ASK FOR A BETTER NURSE, PATIENT, HOSPITAL ADMIN
ADVOCATE. SHE DEDICATES HER WHOLE LIFE TO IT 24-7! IF ANYTHING CAN CHANGE, SHE
WILL SEE IT GETS DONE. GIVE CHANGE AND ADMIN A CHANCE , THINKS TAKE AWHILE BUT
THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THAT TUNNEL IS NOT THE HEADLIGHT OF AN ON COMING TRAIN!
IT IS CHANGE AND GIVE EACH OTHE ENCOURAGEMENT AND WORK WITHIN THE COMPANY TO GET
THINGS THE WAY YOU WANT THEM...TOGETHER AS A WHOLE!
GOOD LUCK !
Anonymous  - Group One and Administration   |208.189.200.xxx |2009-05-08 04:33:36
As a nurse in Dallas, I support anyone who is a dedicated and unbending patient
advocate. What I think is sad is that as far as administration is concerned,
nurses are just filled positions; they could careless until they have to spend
money which totally effects the size of their BONUSES!!! Group One is a conflict
of interest because it was started by the HR subcommittee of the DFW Hospital
Council. Nurses and other healthcare workers such as CSTs ARE blackballed. Mr.
Love said it himself in this article, they put in the employee's file what the
FORMER EMPLOYER WANTS in that file. I have been a victim of Group One's ultimate
control on getting healthcare employment in DFW. Mr. Love also stated that the
employee has the right to challenge and that the challenge is noted in the file.
Mr. Love, just how many of those challenges been resolved??? Not mine that has
been in challenge since 1994!!! I would love to stand up and reveal m...
Brandi  - you should go   |207.200.116.xxx |2009-05-08 10:30:32
Do the three of you amy, tim and joe still work at JPS?? My husband is military
so we relocate about every 4 years I have worked in multiple ED settings from
Chicago to San Franciso and they all have their own set of problems, but NEVER
have I seen nurses attack the foundation their own home though the newpaper the
way the three of you did. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Would you trash
your wife or child in the paper well dumb asses your co-workers are your
extended family. I hope you understand no one will ever choose to team nurse
with the three of you nor will they have your back. You should not have bit the
hand that feeds you. You really should consider seeking employment elsewhere -
maybe they won't know what kind of people you really are
Megan  - You should go   |70.136.107.xxx |2009-05-09 02:28:25
I have worked many times with Tim and Joe and taken report from Amy on many
occasions. I'd be proud to team nurse with any one of them. I am proud of them
for standing up for patient safety and instead of talking about it, using action
instead of just words. Yet, when they do use their words it's proactively,
professionally and with respect for others. I think that the point of this
article and petition are getting lost in finger pointing and drama. I'm sick of
nurses complaining about staffing, but unwilling to speak up for their patients
or themselves. Kudos, Amy, Joe, Tim, Mr. Earley, and Kathy for trying to impart
change that will take time, and large amounts of effort.
Anonymous   |12.69.69.xxx |2009-05-12 10:16:43
In this area nurses have tried for years to help be an advocate for patiens. No
one will listen. These measures were used as a last desperate attempt at making
nursing and patients safer. When you say to seek employment elsewhere, then we
fail at being pt advocates. Most place are just as bad, and admin. does not
listen.
voice of reason  - who's really responsible   |75.100.48.xxx |2009-05-08 12:47:23
Please stop all of the infighting! Its time to place the blame on those who are
really responsible for all of this mess... the patients! (and politicians)
That's right, if people would only come to the ER for actual emergencies then
there wouldn't be any staffing problems. If EMTALA wasn't in place you could
just tell the moron with a sore throat to go take a lozenge and get out of the
ER. If we protected our borders there wouldn't be thousands of uninsured,
illegal immigrants in the ER. If the government hadn't started artificial price
controls with Medicare and Medicaid the prices charged to uninsured wouldn't be
so high. If we didn't have frivolous lawsuits driven by scumbag lawyers and huge
administrative costs mandated by endless oversight agencies healthcare costs
would also be lower. Lower costs would make people more willing to just pay
their bill and receive care at someplace other than an ER instead of showing up
voice of reason  - cont...   |75.100.48.xxx |2009-05-08 12:49:10
at the ER for something not emergent knowing that they will be treated
regardless of whether or not they plan on paying for their healthcare service.
So, think bigger than the hospital administration. Think about how our society
is crumbling do to our laziness, our sense of entitlement, our lack of personal
accountability, and our ever growing ignorance. Fix those things and the ER will
be paradise.
current nurse/former patient  - Improvement is always good...   |70.140.113.xxx |2009-05-08 13:36:23
Any person, nurse or otherwise that does not think improved staffing improves
patient care and outcomes is simply an idiot. I applaud theses nurses for trying
to make a positive change. There will always be corproate shills posing as
nurses and members of the community that come out and post negative comments on
stories like these. There will also always be manangement sucks up that get what
the have by substituting brown-nosing for real talent and work ethic.
The
bottom line is...if it's good for the patients, it's good, end of story.
Any
nurse fighting against better patient care needs to turn their license in asap.
And for all of you that have a better idea for improving things without
publicity, organizing, unions etc., get off you A_s and do it already.......
Jason Blalock  - Nurses Unions   |70.196.183.xxx |2009-05-08 23:13:39
I think everyone is missing the point here. If divide and conquer is the axiom
then administration wins. Look at the facts, hospitals have Group One an
organization that admits it will black list a nurse at a managers whim. They are
judge, jury and EXECUTIONER of your career . To hell with the state board they
can do this without due process or your input. What is wrong with nurses
forming ther own independent organization (union if you will) to protect
themselves from poor working condition and inept management. Police and Firemen
have unions even in conservative Fort Worth, Texas. Their union protects them
from over zealous ladder climbers looking to make a name for themselves at the
expense of the organization. Why would any not want to go to work in a safe and
manageable enviroment? Do you really think management types with bottom lines
and bonuses care about you? Unions are not about communism or socialism it is
...
Jason Blalock  - Nurses Union   |70.196.183.xxx |2009-05-08 23:24:30
protecting your interests, having the abiity to say you will not stand for poor
treatment of your patients and yourself. If you are of the mindset where you can
take 80 patients go for it! Just remember you are one mistake away from being
"Group Oned" with no recourse, no nothing. Meanwhile Cisero sat on his
butt for 1 year and drew hundreds of housands of dollars, Adonna Lowe is
awaiting her severence package, Glenn Raup is fostering or next generation on
nurses in a cushy job at TCU and where are you? Mestar is bringing another...
another and another, but that is okay because you can take it.
jps er nurse  - reply   |70.253.157.xxx |2009-05-09 00:24:49
Please tell me you DO NOT work at JPS ER. What a horrible attitude. Since when
do we call patients moron's. Our clinic system leaves them no choice but to come
to the ER sometimes. You need an attitude adjustment.
jps er nurse  - reply to voice of reason   |70.253.157.xxx |2009-05-09 00:26:56
above was in response to voice of reason .
Tnr  - tuck and run...   |67.98.222.xxx |2009-05-09 06:48:41
I wish all the people who recomend just tucking your tail and running from a
problem instead of trying to fix it would relocate to france where there
mentality is common place. Remember, you live in America, a country formed on
standing up to B.S.
Also, elaborate on how people were "tricked" into
signing a petition. I am curious
Tnr  - "Group oned"   |67.98.222.xxx |2009-05-10 02:49:18
For anyone who feels they have been "group oned", by that company, or
any other, I encourage you not to take it lying down. Companies like that are
bound by credit reporting laws
(http://www.employment.screennow.com/hdocs/fcra_co mpliant.html). I urge you to
fight back. If you dont know how visit credit info center dot com and do some
reading. This is not spam, but good advice.
anonymous #2  - i agree   |208.189.200.xxx |2009-05-14 17:41:37
BRAVO!!!! These are the reasons for the overcrowding, but since none of these is
going to change, the hospitals need to change how we deal with the overcrowding.
Julie  - Group One   |70.251.249.xxx |2009-05-10 22:28:36
I think we should see the contracts and agreements the hospitals have with each
other and Group One. If you're listed on group one, NONE of the hospitals using
them will hire you. I believe it is completely illegal
Thomas   |64.12.116.xxx |2009-05-11 13:12:35
I don't really understand what all the group one has to do with this article.
It seems that there are a few nurses tat JPS that think they are God and should
get what they want and get it immedtialy. Group one has nothing to do with the
nurses who are acting like idiots over at JPS if it did beleive me they would be
gone and on the list.
anonymous #2  - speak on what you know   |208.189.200.xxx |2009-05-14 17:43:21
You should know what you are talking about before you open your mouth. The
issue with Group One is that if a nurse speaks up about unsafe conditions and
staffing then they can be blackballed and not hired at another facility. Now
you have permission to comment.
Ana M.  - FALSE INFORMATION ABOUT GROUPONE   |64.129.99.xxx |2009-06-24 04:52:55
I worked for Group One not too long ago. I was a criminal researcher and i can
GUARANTEE you there is not black-balling going on. GroupOne only reports what
they get back from an intensive crimina, past employment research process. If
something negative is in your record they will report it. THAT'S THEIR JOB. I
never saw anything illegal going on or somebody telling me to report something
negative on somebody. If you don't want negative records displayed to a
potential employer then stop doing the wrong things you're doing! Groupone like
other companies stand for providing better qualify employees to hospitals. Who
here wouldn't like to know if they nurse or doctor attending your kids or
yourself is not a criminal background. Convicted and serving time in the penn
for being rapist or murdering patients or administering meds to you without a
license???? that's what group one does. they expose all those people that
shouldn't ...
Anonymous   |12.69.69.xxx |2009-05-12 10:11:09
And how about the 25,000 and the hotel bill they just paid to have someone come
and prioritize things, Maybe they could have just had better staffing, then
the outcomes and prioritys fall right into place. Good for these nurses trying
to fight for the one that get left off of the priority list--the Patient.
Orlando Martinez  - critical care   |208.100.219.xxx |2009-07-02 04:37:55
Here is an excerpt from my hospital story. I don't know if the nurses and the
physicians already know this. But it could be helpful and educational to read
about what a patient thinks about when he is "out of it."


Thoughts of a Critical Care Patient

From my bed in
the critical care unit, after my heart by-pass, I could hear nurses laughing and
talking at the nurses station, out of range of my sight. I didn’t think of
dying, nor about God,and I wasn’t frightened or depressed. The powerful
sedatives injected into me to suppress my pain had engulfed me in a great sea of
empty numbness. I was so heavily drugged I lost almost all my emotions except
the emotion of yearning, the need for human contact, which for some mysterious
reason had escape the drugs. I yearned for a glimpse of a nurse or anyone to
bring reality to this unearthly situation I was in.
I was bodiless<...
Anita Burress  - grouped one   |173.64.218.xxx |2009-10-11 10:46:25
I am an RT, group one'd since 1996, as a result to build a new ER in the
Robert's building I would like to get involved. I never had one thing against
me and was fired because I was told that my charting, didn't look right, all my
co-workers keep in touch, and since that I am a grandmother, I can't move to
another state to work. I worked at the BUMC for 14 years, and the last five
star spirit I received recqired at least 20 patient recommendations. I am 56,
so, I didn't expect to retire for some years. I am working on a BA degree to
try to turn things around, but this is so wrong, and I want to help do something
about this.
Anita Burress  - group one   |173.64.218.xxx |2009-10-11 10:50:02
I noticed that I put 1996, it was 2006. The scarlet letter of group one lasts
SEVEN years, so it will be January of 2013 before that drops off my record.
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